General: The not just pregnant Georgina (Horiana) Patea *updated*

Submitted by The Critic on 2 August, 2006 - 9:04am.

This morning's Dominion Post is reporting further on Georgina (Horiana Patea) who was yesterday confirmed to have left the show due to being pregnant. The paper reports that Georgina has a list of criminal charges including one for attempted murder.

What I find interesting is that Georgina has been offered a "Golden Ticket" into the Top 18 of NZ Idol 4 despite her history when last year, Dibor - who was in a similar situation, except the pregnant part of course - found himself out of the competition.

Now either the producers are confident that there wont be a fourth season of NZ Idol or there seems to be a double standard here.

*update* apparently the difference between Dibor and Georgina is that Dibor didn't disclose his criminal past to the producers where as Georgina did.

A NZ Idol contestant who has convictions for aggravated burglary and assault has been bumped from the television show for being pregnant.

Producers said a contestant they identified only as Georgina, 25, would have to stand down after revealing she was pregnant. She had so far made it through to the last 18 of the competition.

"The decision was not taken lightly but the producers and the network feel that it is the responsible thing to do," a spokeswoman for the show's producers, South Pacific Pictures, said. "NZ Idol can be an intense experience and we do not wish to cause undue stress to Georgina and her unborn child."

The Dominion Post can reveal that Georgina is in fact Horiana Patea, who was sentenced to three years' jail in 2003 after she broke into a Christchurch house. She had thought it was the house of a man she had accused of indecently assaulting her, but got the wrong one. Wearing a balaclava and carrying a large knife, she terrified the occupants.

Patea was originally charged with attempted murder. She later admitted two counts of aggravated burglary and one of aggravated assault.

TVNZ spokesman Tim Aitken said both TVNZ and South Pacific knew about her criminal convictions. "Everyone gets a second chance."

Patea has been offered a "golden ticket" into the top 18 in a future series, provided TVNZ goes ahead with it and she is fit to take part.

Top obstetrician and gynaecologist Alec Ekeroma said he could not see why a pregnant woman could not compete in the show. "The singing itself and the dancing around associated with NZ Idol shouldn't cause any problems in pregnancy." Though the competition could be stressful to contestants, pregnant women frequently experienced stress without it harming their babies.

*update*

The debate continues in the NZ Herald this morning.

Idol ordeal too tough for mum, says midwife

Saturday August 5, 2006
By Claire Trevett

A leading midwife can understand NZ Idol's decision to dump a pregnant contestant if "extreme" activities such as bungy jumping and an Army assault course are included.

South Pacific Pictures dropped Horiana Patea, 25, from the top 18, saying the producers did not want to endanger her health or her baby's.

Patea has expressed anger, saying she felt able to continue, and the dumping has upset women's groups.

However, filming for this year's Idol will involve extreme sports, which the Weekend Herald understands will include bungy jumping, an Army assault course and outdoor sports such as skiing.

A midwifery adviser at the New Zealand College of Midwives, Norma Campbell, said pregnant women could do strenuous activities and sport, so long hours and a rigorous performance schedule were not reasons to exclude Patea.

"If it's just the pressure of singing and performing, that's fine and women are quite capable of knowing what their own limits are. But I certainly think if there are things like [extreme sports], then that is probably a conversation they have to have with a pregnant woman. If that is integral to the show and was explained to the woman when she first signed up, then I can understand the producer's decision."

While continuing to exercise was safe, most pregnant women would not risk sports such as bungy jumping or assault courses because the physical aggressiveness could damage the placenta and endanger the baby.

The show could have given Patea other options. "It's a recording contract they're after, not an extreme sports contract."

Jane Millichip, managing director of South Pacific Pictures, said factors in Patea's dumping included the ongoing pressure of the show and the more extreme events, which contestants had not been told of for reasons of confidentiality.

"I know she has criticised us and she believes that she is fit enough to take part, but Georgina [Patea] doesn't know what she is expected to do yet. She has no idea what is required of an Idol contestant in this series. She got through to a stage which put her under pressure and she did very well ... But she doesn't know what she'd be doing next. We do."

She had strident views about the right of women to work through pregnancy, but the show had to take some responsibility for contestants.

"We cannot design an entire series around a pregnant woman. It's not fair on her or the other contestants if she didn't take part in most things. It's a combination of her safety, her baby's safety and the practicalities of running a television show."

Patea had been offered automatic entry into the final 18 if there was a show next year.

... but it's OK to play a fast game of netball

Sting defender and former Silver Fern Anna Galvan is six months pregnant with her second child, and gave up playing top-level competitive netball only a month ago.

She played in the National Bank Cup until just before the semifinals, and says any woman has the right to make the same sort of decision.

"We chose not to tell anyone - including my family - I was pregnant until four months, because I didn't want everyone else's opinions having a bearing on how I felt. Which was that I was fit and perfectly able to keep going."

She's not the only one - women such as Julie Seymour and Tania Dalton were among the trail-blazers in deciding to stay on court when they were pregnant.

Galvan stopped playing when the coach decided her performance had slipped. "I couldn't do what I needed to do properly and safely," she said.

"Netball is a non-contact sport, but there are some big hits that you take. So it became not safe for me to do that."

She thinks Horiana Patea should have been allowed to make her own decision on whether she could stand the pressure of performing and being on a television show.

"I don't think that's right. I think people also have to understand that - in my opinion - the mother would never do anything to harm that unborn child. So if she feels that what she is doing is within her comfort zone, then why would she not be able to continue doing it?"

Galvan said it made her angry when people tried to pass judgment on what other women could do.

"I listened to the radio when they were discussing NZ Idol and I ended up turning it off because it had a lot of older people who commented negatively on women who were carrying on doing their normal activities when they were pregnant.

But I think that's because in their day they weren't allowed the opportunities to do what they wanted because of the societal pressures. These days we are not really too worried about what other people think."

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angelsrus 7 August, 2006 - 2:28am
I'll Tell You What!!!

The common conversation in our household goes a little like this:  "She knew she had to drop out last year because of pregnancy, so surely she would have known that would happen again this year."  There's good and bad in all of us.  Idol certainly becomes the forum to open up your closets.  Goodluck to her and those babies for the future.

sweetsourj3@hot... 6 August, 2006 - 6:46pm

this years NZ idol comp should be called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Idol

"Golden Ticket???" that is so 80's right there.

admin 6 August, 2006 - 6:47pm

If you read below, you'll see it's a term used in Idol competitions around the world.

"The Golden Ticket can also be seen in the US show , American Idol. During the first round of the competition, contestants who make it through to the Hollywood round of the show receive a "Golden Ticket" granting them access to the next stage of the audition."

sweetsourj3@hot... 6 August, 2006 - 8:12pm

i know that. it just seems like it is a suck up on the producers part. ie: they get rid of hori but give her a golden ticket to make it seem not all that bad. and like she said in another conversation. she didnt sign the contract, so they didnt have to give her a ticket allowing her to compete next year. i recon it comes down to bad organising. if people are going to sign up to nz idol do they not have to fill out a medical certificate?

admin 5 August, 2006 - 1:16pm

And yet the reporters did not mention Camillia refusing to bungy jump.

Scap 6 August, 2006 - 6:51pm

Whos camilla? my camilla? bb camilla? huh oh camilla camilla? she was pregnant?

Mr Phantomb 6 August, 2006 - 10:20pm
www.troubleintahiti.com

No she had implants

Angel Of Music 5 August, 2006 - 12:09pm
Dory Face

extreme sports, which the Weekend Herald understands will include bungy jumping, an Army assault course and outdoor sports such as skiing.

Shocked wow

The Critic 5 August, 2006 - 11:54am
www.throng.co.nz

*updated*

Loyal 4 August, 2006 - 3:20pm
www.daughtryofficial.com

Well if the rules of the show let someone on, it's up to the public if they want to vote for a particular person or not.  If they don't like someone, or something about them, they won't vote for that person! 

Guess people who do enter with something bad in their past, have to be OK with everyone knowing about it, because it's certainly not going to be something they can live down once they get in the public eye. Remember all the talk about Clark last year - about something he'd probably like to forget happened!   Well, I imagine people wouldn't want bad things about their past to be known to all - surely anyone wouldn't be proud of bad things they've done in their past!

hideousrockboy 4 August, 2006 - 3:33pm
Get out of my car!!

You are a shining light piercing through the moronic babble \m/

I'd just like to add that I know the decision was based on the pregnancy, but if you did something bad in the past and you enter in a comp like this, it's a pretty good chance that it's going to be brought up. I think it's fair that it is to, it's karma for the victims. But yeah, the public has the info and they can make the choice.

In the case of Clark, I would never have voted for him no matter how fantastic his voice was or how much he changed, I just think about the poor kid he did that to ... but if someone else wants to vote for him that's there choice. So like you say - Public choice here.

Rhys and its pa... 3 August, 2006 - 9:12pm

the hole murder thing and young parents thing

Rhys and its pa... 3 August, 2006 - 9:10pm

jesse aint sixteen tho. so y cnt people get past that wot horiana has done is past just like that father an get on with it. because honestly both things would be rong things to idolise.

chevy 3 August, 2006 - 9:16pm
Asia Pacifica couzz

it's been done to death now. if a sixteen yr old father was to be in the top 10 i dont see no prob with it Eye-wink

Rhys and its pa... 3 August, 2006 - 9:01pm

okay this is just out of my curiousity. wot if a 16 year old father went on idol how would u all vote and wot would u hav to say about him?

chevy 3 August, 2006 - 9:06pm
Asia Pacifica couzz

id vote for his singing abilitys. and would vote a positive if he was good. A father in the show wouldnt change anyones opinion on him sorta like Jesse Idol-2 who has two kids.

stylish 3 August, 2006 - 8:42pm

in regards to abortion - it should be compulsary for some - how about if a women isnt certain who the father of her unborn child is? exactly - children born into this world should be planned and having two loving and unselfish parents

Nellie 4 August, 2006 - 12:08am
Massive FAIL!

LOL. n00b.

miss_chaos 3 August, 2006 - 9:20pm
YOU ARE A syphillis SO PISS OFF

Wait - are you Mr Ubiquitous?

No seriously, you disgust me. Abortion is a really touchy issue and this thread is NOT about that, and let's not even get started on your rather controversial stance, shall we?

And learn how to use the reply button.

chevy 3 August, 2006 - 8:46pm
Asia Pacifica couzz

/random

im abit lost there. another forum perhaps Smiling but I disagree with the compulsary part

stylish 3 August, 2006 - 4:59pm

like i said, It is not about your background, it is about whether you are a fantastic singer.  And, also, how are people who have commited a crime supposed to get on with their lives and progress in society if people are going to give them **** or are going to restrict them in doing so.

But finding out that she has had two kids by two different guys in the space of a year is appaling! - she obviously has no class . It also confirms what a selfish women she is: 1. by preparing to put her child at risk by wanting to stay on the competition and 2. by not thinking about her children

Sarah_Hart 4 August, 2006 - 3:19pm

Class! You make me sick! So your saying if someone was widowed or been in an abusive relationship or a situation like that, that they can't move on, fall in love with sumone else and have a family with them also. You don't no n e thing about her situation! You don't even no if it is 2 fathers! So shut up!

She prob stressed now bcoz of people like you! even more so than if she were still competing. Leave her alone and mind ya own business ya simple minded fool.  

missy2 3 August, 2006 - 10:32pm

where are you getting your information from. There is only one father. Are you trying to get some recognition of being a d#ckhead.

chevy 3 August, 2006 - 8:05pm
Asia Pacifica couzz

But finding out that she has had two kids by two different guys in the space of a year is appaling

stylish, the first guy may have been a total drop out loser so the best thing to do is find another dude who is willing to love and support her and child. I give her credit that she didnt do what other "ditzy tow-rags" do and terminate because they couldnt be stuffed bringing a new life into the World. 

Um considering your comments about putting bubs at risk when still in competiton and Grand final is on etc.... agreed it'll be hard carting around a Idol &bub, baby gear etc to shows and apperances. Mother should be at home making sure baby gets a good start in life, not galavanting around the Country side. 

I bet SPP is now rewritting the entrant forms that will nip that in the bud (no pregnancies alowwed).

stylish 3 August, 2006 - 4:48pm

accidents - well thats the consequence isnt it , people who plan things (pregnancies and so forth) are ones who in life generally suceed - and wheres the father in this

Sarah_Hart 3 August, 2006 - 4:53pm

What a load of rubbish! You can hav a successful life with a surprise pregnancy! I no heaps of people who have had that happen to them. I was a surprise child! And my parents are very sucessful.
Stop talkn s***

stylish 3 August, 2006 - 4:47pm

If she knew that she were auditioning again this year, why did she get pregnant? [again] , - it shows that she is a idiot ... if she were a good mother she would do everything in her power to prevent things from happening to her unborn child [ stress]

stylish 3 August, 2006 - 4:40pm

If she knew that she were auditioning the year after , why did she get pregnant? she must be an idiot to not think of the consequences of her actions?

sweetsourj3@hot... 6 August, 2006 - 6:38pm

yeah but you cant predict the future, how was she to know that she was going to fall pregnant? 

missy2 3 August, 2006 - 10:38pm

She did not know until she came back from auditioning to the 18 she had a pregnancy test comfirming positive

Sarah_Hart 3 August, 2006 - 4:44pm

Accidents happen. And anyway shes only couple of months on so it not as though it was goin to get in the way. Silver Ferns play netball while they are pregnant so why can't she sing?

The Critic 3 August, 2006 - 3:55pm
www.throng.co.nz

This must be the first time NZ Idol has made headlines in Australia

BIMI 3 August, 2006 - 4:00pm
What's the craic?!

... and I bet they're laughing so hard at us because of this too!

admin 3 August, 2006 - 1:48pm

Praise for NZ Idol decision to postpone contestant’s involvement

Family Life International praises the TVNZ decision to stand down pregnant contestant Georgina from its New Zealand Idol contest.

“It is extremely encouraging to us that the wellbeing of Georgina and her unborn baby have been placed ahead of the pursuit of celebrity and fame� says Family Life International media spokesperson; Brendan Malone.

“This decision places motherhood on the pedestal that it deserves to be placed on, and it promotes respect for pregnant women and their unborn children.�

“In light of recent focus on the issue of child abuse in New Zealand, the TVNZ decision promotes a healthy respect for motherhood and responsible parenting, something that needs to be highlighted as often as possible if we wish to see change in regards to this issue.�

Family Life International believes that the decision to provide Georgina with a “golden ticket� which will provide her instant entry into the finals of a future New Zealand Idol contest is a fair and just decision.

“If a fourth New Zealand Idol happens then Georgina will be able to return after her baby has been born to show that pregnancy is not a burden or a hindrance to living a full and complete life� says Brendan Malone.

blonde 3 August, 2006 - 11:23am

Well I'm satisfied now.  According to Stuff, she won't be entering again next year.  Good decision on her part but it should have been SPP who made the decision for her considering her jail bird past.

meaniew 3 August, 2006 - 12:37pm

 Gosh you're irritating!

The Critic 3 August, 2006 - 12:41pm
www.throng.co.nz

and you're just a meanie! Eye-wink

welcome back! Laughing out loud

BIMI 3 August, 2006 - 12:24pm
What's the craic?!

Here's the article mentioned above ...

Dumped NZ Idol hopeful Georgina Patea has suffered the mother of all disappointments and says she won't be back for next year's competition.

A pregnant Ms Patea was asked to leave the television show this week – but claims the programme's producers had previously congratulated her and indicated it was not a problem.

She had made it to the final 18 before being asked to leave.

Ms Patea, 25, was also forced to withdraw from last year's competition, again for being pregnant.

The show's producers have offered her a "golden ticket" to the top 18 of next year's competition, if it goes ahead and she is fit to compete.

But she told The Dominion Post yesterday that was a "false hope".

"I don't really want to go back next year. I don't want to get my hopes up again. What's the point?

"My dream has been trashed in my face."

Pregnancy was not an illness, she said. "To me, that's just discrimination."

She later told Campbell Live that one of the producers had congratulated her on her pregnancy.

South Pacific Pictures spokeswoman Tamar Munch confirmed Ms Patea had also successfully auditioned for last year's show but was subsequently turned down because she was pregnant.

The show's producers and TVNZ have defended the decision to remove her, saying the activities associated with NZ Idol – including bungy-jumping – are unsuitable for pregnant women.

In 2003, Ms Patea was sentenced to three years' jail after pleading guilty to two counts of aggravated burglary and one of aggravated assault. She declared the convictions on her application forms for the show.

Civil liberties lawyer Tony Ellis said the Human Rights Act prohibited discrimination on the grounds of pregnancy.

Ms Patea could complain to the Human Rights Commission, he said.

chevy 3 August, 2006 - 8:49pm
Asia Pacifica couzz

Civil liberties lawyer Tony Ellis said the Human Rights Act prohibited discrimination on the grounds of pregnancy. Ms Patea could complain to the Human Rights Commission, he said

Hmmm, but what does it say on the entrant form? Surely there must be something about it (pregnancy clause). has anyone got a entrant form haging around to quote?

The Critic 3 August, 2006 - 8:53pm
www.throng.co.nz

perhaps they need to get her to sign a written statement saying that if she loses the baby due to stress or any other factor from being a contestant on idol then she can come back for the top 18

I wonder how quickly she'd be voted out though or whether all the additional publicity would rocket her to the top

Rhys and its pa... 3 August, 2006 - 9:23am

yea im with sarah next subject............

The Critic 2 August, 2006 - 11:51pm
www.throng.co.nz

Check out what's on CNN now

BIMI 3 August, 2006 - 10:38am
What's the craic?!

Why does that have "Sydney, Australia" at the start of that article?!! :| Is it cause that's where Americans think NZ is or something!?! Eye-wink

The Critic 3 August, 2006 - 11:19am
www.throng.co.nz

probably the reporting office...

Nellie 2 August, 2006 - 11:47pm
Massive FAIL!

Dude, my friend Jen just pointed something out to me...

Ben Lummis had a checkered past but because he became a born again Christian, all was forgotten... would it make it better if Georgina started going to church or something?

firefox 3 August, 2006 - 12:15am

Unfortunately "became a born again Christian, all was forgotten" doesn't always work, look at me both on here and also in the public arena.  My Minister also said to me that even when people change there are going to be those who never forget your past whether you have changed or not.

Ben got lucky because he and Sela are 'ones out of the box' they draw the eye when you see them together because they are an amazing couple and all power to them!

My life is very stressful because of day-to-day prejudice and all I can do is try at least to rise above it and laugh it off, which is not easy believe me.

Nellie 3 August, 2006 - 12:21am
Massive FAIL!

Naw. Born again Christian works, but born again bible-bashing raving looney doesn't.

Sarah_Hart 2 August, 2006 - 11:44pm

Ok everyone over it?...next subject please

Sarah_Hart 2 August, 2006 - 11:44pm

Ok everyone over it?...next subject please

Rhys and its pa... 2 August, 2006 - 11:42pm

horiana is SO talented an thats not just coz shes my family. her voice is amazing!! an not only that but she has such a caring personality. al throgh the idol journey she had it was NEVER about her it was always "im so glad they have given me this oppoutunity" she never once was stuck up about it never once said nething like it was all me, it was"those judges, im just so thankful ot b able to work with them" her baby boy is so gorgous and she is such a good mother.

and yea no excuse for wot shes done but tha past is past and shes changed.

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