"Hey Idol Blog team it's Warner Newman here from the Top 60 NZ Idol 2005.
Well I'm living in the U.K now. I've just done an album and I'm set to release it in the U.K.
To find out more go to my blog or MySpace.
Take care see you all soon.
P.S In your face Mr Paul I no it all (lol....)"
You can buy his EP album online or listen to two songs on MySpace.
I've just caught up with this thread. Idolblog I love you.
Is Peted Warner's manager?
?
Is that your new name ... are you trying to out do Prince?
I just finished my first EP. Your music and singing is better than mine, but I'm going to keep trying like you.
that's great man what kind of music good things only come to the people who keep on pushing and trying if need a hand I no a few people in the biz in the U.K now.
Thanks for your offer but I can't accept after the mocking that I have given you and the fact that you hit on my little sister.
I'm just going to take my chances in the Rockstar 3 auditions LOL.
...except you have a lot in common with the 300 pound chick who's trying to win Miss Universe
Naw that's a little unfair.
I'd be more inclined to think Liz Shaw and radio/TV presenting
Delusional is as delusional does
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/WARNERNEWMAN
hey all new videos and photos from my live gig at chine whites went really well enjoy
xox
Hey All how we all doing
ok I don't no who this Peted guy is but. I like him he no's what he's talking about.
I think he could teach you alot .
You know what? Maybe Falling isn't pitch perfect right now but it hasn't even seen the inside of a recording studio yet so give the man a chance. The song was recorded and produced inside his bedroom and I think we should respect the fact that he was willing (and brave enough) to put it out there before it was complete just to get some feedback.
But that's who Warner is... his music is honest. Nothing is going to stand in his way or stop him from saying what he's got to say. I think it wouldn't hurt you - regardless of your reservations about him - to wish him the best of luck! Not that he'll need it anyway!
Uhh...Peted actually pointed out that you're not going anywhere.
Actually, this Warner chap seems very marketable. His approach certainly fits the current UK pop-R&B market.
My two cents - "Falling" needs work in the chorus mostly, it is falling a little flat, it needs to really lift into the heavens at that point and become more ethereal. Hit the highs. Verse is good. Production is good.
"Lable" should be "Label"
Thanks man that was recorded at my place I did the prouduction and wrote it as well.
But now its been given to the big boys to work on we are rerecording it next week so i've taken note to what you have said.
thanks
Falling "a little" flat?
Try very flat and constantly. Same goes for all his songs.
If he can't get it right in the studio then chances are he's going to be a mess on the live stage.
He needs a helluva lot of work.
It's just a demo.
Retakes and/or Auto-Tune will fix that. It's the way he's doing it which is important, and he's on the right track. If the track is true to itself, then it will work.
Another reason why Idol is way off base. A strong singing voice and perfect pitch is certainly nice to have, but certainly not a requirement for success. It is more important to be distinctive, look good on television, and relate well to your target audience.
Everything else can be fixed in the mix....
Oh ... my ... gosh!!!! I cannot believe you just said that!!!
Well it's kind of true...
he's right Ive seen The suger babes record and they nice people but they sing flat here and there Hell the KING DID AS WELL.but he mean every word he said so people did'nt care.
Eh?
You watched Elvis record?
lol no but It's a fact !
It's isn't.
Robbie Williams, Johnny Rotten, James Hetfield, Ronan Keating, Leonard Cohen, Noel Gallagher, David Lee Roth, Jim Morrision, Bon Scott, Anthony Kiedis, Vince Neil....
I could go on. None of these people are technically great singers, but they don't need to be. They all sound *distinctive*, which is far more important.
The world is full of out-of-work session singers.
But they all sing in tune....
And I'd disagree with your assessment of some of them as "not great singers".
It's fine for Johnny Rotten to bark away and Leonard Cohen to rumble, but Warner is trying to crack the Ronan/Robbie type market here. Both of which are known for the strength and consistency of their voices.
Many of them are great singers, but not in a *technical* sense (i.e. optimal power, clarity, tibre, tone, range, pitch).
It's *how* they're doing it. They are true to the song, and stamping the tunes with a distinctive, memorable voice.
Their "unusual-ness" makes them memorable.
>>Both of which are known for the strength and consistency of their voices.
Next time you're at a pop concert, go over to the mixing desk. Look for a device called an Antares AVP-1, which looks like this: http://www.antarestech.com/products/avp.shtml
This can also be done in software, so look out for a laptop. These devices correct pitch on-th-fly, making bad singers sound good.
You'd be very surprised how widely these are used now, in both pop and rock.
.... which, I guess, is why I can't listen to any of those people that you've listed there! :| I prefer to listen to someone who can "sing!"
.... much more pleasant!
That's fine. Everyones taste is different, and the world would be a very dull place if everyones taste was the same.
But you understand my point, though? Technical singing ability isn't necessary for success.
The attributes required for genuine, long lasting, high paying careers in the music industry are quite different, and they mostly have to do with being distinctive and marketable.
Question: if Brad Pitt never became an actor, had a terrible singing voice, and wanted a record contract from you (pretend you're a record executive), would you sign him?
Yesss because he'd end up paying me
And on the off-chance my/his/someone-else's usage of electronic equipment ended up making his voice good in a poppy way and everyone loved him, I would end up with all the rights and stuff to make lotsa money.
Am I right?
You most certainly are
Which makes you a lot smarter than certain other commentators in here, who are under the false impression that success is about technical ability.
He's right though, look at the Pussycat Dolls, Paris Hilton, hell - even Crazy Frog!
Please let me add 'Madonna'
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I'm a huge fan of Peted and TC - and get such a kick out of their word battles
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Warner makes me laugh
I'm loving the fact that Warner's thread has been hijacked! HAHahaha
Next time he logs in he's going to be SO excited to see all the comments in his thread!! LOL
A few facts about the recording industry....
Recording deals are a dime a dozen. A good recording deal is something else entirely.
Most record deals are the equivilent of vanity publishing. Here's how it works. The "record company" signs any young hopeful stupid enough to sign a contract. The record company invests no money, but charges the artist for all recording, pressing, and associated costs. Chances are the record company owns a studio and/or printing operation. Even if the artist goes no further, the record company has made money. The artist turns out to be the customer.
If - and this is a big if - the artist does actually manage a level of success, the record company invariably owns the rights.
If the recording deals aren't mentioned in the trade press, chances are they're rubbish.
back for some more "woah is me" whinging I see...
You've really got it in for him huh?
no... it's just he just seems to turn up from time to time to complain about things because his own experience has been tainted
Sometimes I feel I've got to (dah dah)
Post on IB (duh duh)
I got to (duh duh)
Whinge and moan (I got to)
Let everyone know how sad I am............
TAINTED LOVE WOOOOOOOOAH
Ok.
So I read his first post wrong? I thought he was explaining why Warner hadn't succeeded, rather than whinging about himself.
no he's a struggling artist who is pissed at Idol and he's just so hard done by that they feel the need to come on idolblog and share their pain with everyone who just doesn't care
Who is this munter, Peted, anyway? He does sound like an artist who's been dealt the sharp end of the stick by record labels because they don't 'understand' him. Is it maybe Warner?
Wait...it can't be Warner. Peted can form legible sentences.
I am not a "struggling artist". I'm rather wealthy, although it's fair to say that wasn't via music. I used to play in bands, almost joined quite a famous one, and still play for the pure enjoyment, which is the whole point. I have no regrets - I'd rather have money in the bank than life on the road, thanks.
I'm not "pissed at Idol". I don't take it seriously, which seems to annoy The Critic, presumably because he/she does.
Some people may like to hear a different viewpoint, that's all. The reality of the music business is a lot more interesting, don't you think?
congratulations. Did I mean struggling "financially"? No.
No-one actually cares. Just because you didn't make it in the music biz doesn't been you have to slam those who are trying to.
You cared enough to reply, though
They're not in the "music" business, they're in the televised-karaoke-business, which is mostly about selling advertising space between songs.
All credit to them. Grab the opportunity. Hurrah!
Just don't kid yourself that it's music. Or the music business. Because it's not.
Maybe you can console them when they make it into the real world then, since you've failed too.
The music business is what happens when they leave Idol, and many of the Idols have been very successful in managing their own careers and making a heaps of money. I have absolutely know doubt that the people who have been on Idol, and have gtton kicked off, will have a job singing after this largely due to the exposure form the show.
Maybe if you had gotton the exposure from something like Idol, insteading of bagging it all the time, you too may be a successful musician. Oh wait - or were you not good enough to make it through?
I consider myself rather successful, actually. As does the IRD, who seem to want to take ever-increasing amounts of tax off me.
The Idol contestants are going nowhere. Once the media spotlight turns off, the fickle audience will disappear, and you'll see their record in the bargain bins. These shows are nothing new, and they have an abysmal talent-spotting success rate, because they're not geared towards the real world. They're geared towards selling soft-drinks to pre-teens and teenagers.
In case you hadn't noticed, serious musicians steer well clear of NZ Idol shows. They kill credibility stone dead.
Idol is a great way to launch a career. That not
getting a record deal with a huge label does necessarily mean you
aren't, or can't be, successful.
The exposure Idol gives you is
the perfect platform for launching or furthering a career in music.
Many of the Idols from seasons past here in New Zealand have chosen to
sing for a living and make a tidy living doing so. Are they
unsuccessful becasue they chose not to release an album? Because they
did not want a record deal after Idol? They are probably earning more than you.
Name one NZ Idol contestant who has gone on to become widely recognised outside New Zealand?
Do the numbers. New Zealand has a very small record buying public, and little in the way of performance circuits.
I thinks our views of what constitutes a "tidy living" might be some way apart...
I think you completely ignored what I said in my post to blather on about your salary again.
Success isn't necessarily about being an international superstar. Would you say Fantasia Barrino, winner of American Idol 3, is a failure becasue she didn't sell internationally? She got nominated for Grammys. By your logic, you have to be successful overseas to be taken seriously. Robbie Williams never broke the US. FAILURE. Brooke Fraser, Fat Freddy's Drop, Shihad. All failures, by your logic.
Success is making cash, and the Idols more than happily do it in New Zealand. Paid for Idol, paid for appearances, paid for singing appearances, paid for TV appearances, paid mega bucks for performing at corporate events and sport entertainment.... Sounds like a good deal to me. Maybe I'll get an Idol to come and talk post-Idol careers with you on here. You don't even have to have a record contract to be successful in the music industry.
I'm also guessing, should you have "made it" as an artist, you would say you had absolutely made the right choice in following your dreams and doing what you really wanted. Money wouldn't really be an object. Since you failed, you're saying it's ok coz you've got cash. Deep down, I think you're a bit jealous of their success, coz you couldn't have it yourself.